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  How many people did you personally bring into the truth?

  by yxl1 in

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  are they still witnesses?

  do you feel personally responsible?

  have you made any attempt to correct their/your mistake?.

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  I still feel guilty about talking the boy who wanted to date me in high school into becoming one. After taking myself out, he's still in. He ended up marrying the mother of one of our classmates-clearly his issues were more complex than I as a 17 year old could fully comprehend. I feel the obligation to get one out for the one who's in at my fault. One day the opportunity will present itself. Shoshana
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  My dub mom wants to remarry

  by unbeliever in

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  before she can though she needs my dad to admit to adultary.

  they've been divorced for years but he has never remarried and has no plans too.. she says she's in love with a widowed brother but before they go any further she wants to be scriptually free.

  she called my dad and asked him if he would help her out and he laughed and hung up the phone.

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  No disrespect to your mother, but, if this elder is a widower, he literally has his pick of hundreds of available, and scripturally free women in his circuit. Is it possible that your mother was selected as his "companion" for the very reason that she was NOT free? That way, there is a limit to the commitment he would have to make to her. Nothing was mentioned that the widower is seeking verifacation of her freedom, but your mother is. He can string her along, get her to do everything for him (like a good wannabe elderette would do, even possibly giving up a little something), but still be able to have peace and solitude whenever he wants it. If your mother ever gets her freedom, it's possible the "dating game" will end, because the widower will then be obliged to fish or cut bait, as they say. Just a thought, but it's something I saw with the widowers when I was a kid. The fools those single slightly post-middle aged women made of themselves. Hoo boy, just thinking of a few of them has me laughing to myself. Shoshana
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  Would anybody have joined if...

  by JH in

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  would anybody have joined or remained in the jw's organization if they would have taught that the end was only in 100 years from now?

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  The whole allure of an apocalyptic cult is that it MUST appeal to an individual's fear of dying (or being destroyed at armageddon). To set the date out a hundred years removes most (if not all) potential converts. Think about why maintstream Christianity developed its heaven/hell doctrines (since everyone eventually dies...). When WBTS sets dates, they aren't so far off that NO ONE will be around then that is now, but still out far enough that the people that were pulled in for earlier dates won't be around, won't remember, or figured they'd wasted their lives anyway, that they go along with all the younger ones who were sucked into it all. Most people in the developed world have the opportunity to learn about WBTS pattern of random predictions gone by the way side. But all those folks in third world countries are ripe for the picking.... 100 years away? No Way Dude. Shoshana
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  Watchtower Motion to Dismiss - DENIED

  by jst2laws in

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  barbara anderson and joseph anderson vs watchtower society.

  as you may remember the watchtower has petitioned the circuit court of manchester tennessee to dismiss the case against them filed by barbara and joe anderson.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/22/59953/1.ashx

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  So that whole spiel about ecclesiastical judgments is pretty much from other court decisions. The judge may not be familiar yet with the leading decisions on point for each side's position. It seems that the Anderson's lawyer is trying a new avenue, and relying on whistle blower protections to analogize the damages, and the bad faith conduct, rather than the traditional tort causes of action. It is an interesting theory, one that I can't imagine would have survived summary judgment even three years ago, prior to the Catholic Church problems with child molestation cover ups. The courts may be looking for ways to bring more protection to the powerless who are systematically victimized under the "protections of a church." I hope to see some regular updates. I am fascinated by this new approach. I bet someone pissed his pants when he read the summons and complaint claiming whistle-blower protection violations. Hadn't thought of that one, those boys in Bethel, had they? Shoshana
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  Holiday decorations on the Kingdom Hall

  by NaruNaruChan in

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  you know... last year i chickened out... but i'm thinkin there's these two trees in front of my old hall... and they look just like xmas trees... god, wouldn't it be funny if...?

  if we had a mass movement and bunch of apostates went to as many kh in their cities and threw some decorations up?

  i wonder if the dubs would think it's the end of the world!

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  Now if an "insider" could just swap out the CDs and as the meeting is starting, instead of "let's watch how we walk" out plays, "walking in a winter wonderland...." How long would it take to notice...How many times could it be pulled off? What would their new procedures look like to prevent such satanic hijinks in the future?...Shoshana
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  Is Charity Utterly Incomprehensible to Them? (Dec. 1, Wt)

  by metatron in

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  once upon a time, monty python had a sketch in which john clease portrayed.

  a businessman approached for a contribution to feed starving orphans.

  he appeared.

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  I keep a list (by the door) of the incredible charitable works accomplished locally by religious groups. When THEY come to my door, I ask what they do locally as far as charitable works, some actually lie and make up this or that (abused women's shelter, when offering awake on spousal abuse and I challenged them on their physical and material help, not just the lip service). I then start listing some of the things those "bad guys from Babylon the Great" are doing. Then I calmly tell them that they would be creating far more good will if they just used the time they went knocking on doors of people who aren't ome, and taking hteir coffee breaks, they would just volunteer those hours to people REALLY in need of just the basics.***** This year for the High Holy days, the LDS church across the street from my temple GAVE us their space, free of charge, so we could all meet together. On Yom Kippur, everyone brought bags of groceries for the food bank (who sent trucks) to represent the food we weren't eating because of fasting. People tended to bring a week's worth, not just a day's. And also some were whipping out their checkbooks. When there used to be food at assemblies instead of donating the leftovers to a local shelter, they would sell it in bulk to people leaving the last day. Good Samaritan-not. Shoshana
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  Wrongfully Disfellowshipped?

  by YoursChelbie in

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  of all the ex-jehovah's witnesses who are posters on this forum, i think we could be divided into two major groups: those who over the years "drifted away" and were never df and those who were df.

  out of those who were subjected to a judicial meeting and subsequently were disfellowshipped, how many feel that the decision was undeserved by the jwitnesses own criteria for disfellowshipping and was completely mishandled?

  did you consider suing the wt society for defamation of character?

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  Defamation: For there to a cause of action for defamation, it generally has to be a false statement (written is libel, oral is slander) publicized that tends to bring ridicule, obliquy, disparages in the profession, states as fact that the person committed a crime or would tend to cause a person to be avoided socially (stop being invited over for dinner), etc. BUT it has to be false. They only way one could sue for defamation if it were announced that an individual had been disfellowshipped when she actually had not. Just because people may assume what a person MIGHT have done to be disfellowshipped (even if it weren't the cause), this is not grounds for a defamation claim. Even if a congregation announced that someone was DF'ed in error, it is unlikely that they would avoid correcting the misstatement at the soonest possible moment. If it's the truth, then it isn't defamation (might be invasion of privacy, but that's a whole different set of standards, and hardly that either...) Shoshana
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  What scams did you use for counting your time?

  by Ivor Hope in

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  flowerpetals post and thread reminded me of some of the scams we would use to try to show the maximum numbers of hours spent in "service" for the smallest amount of effort.

  here's some of the ones i remember...just wondered if any of you had any other memories.. .

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  One of my mom's girlfriends who pioneered started her time when she woke up, by reading daily text with her daughter. Then she ate breakfast, showered, did her hair and make up AND THEN drove for 25 minutes to the Kingdom Hall for the service meeting, effectively having two and a half hours before even setting foot in the hall. Then, at the end of the day's sales, she would return home, read the text with her son after getting dinner together, effectively tacking on at least another 90 minutes. She bragged to my mom about this once, mistakenly in my presence. My mom, not a pioneer was actually envious that she only had a five minute drive to the hall. My mom tried to use me to start her Saturday morning time at 6 AM with me, once. I think I was about 12. I told her I would not cooperate with her cheating. When I said that, it clicked with my mom exactly what her girlfriend was doing. My mother wasn't so impressed, or jealous, of her pioneer girlfriend anymore. Shoshana
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  Getting to Know You.....

  by closer2fine in

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  just for fun!

  cut & paste the questions & answer underneath!.

  1.what time do you wake up in the morning on weekdays?.

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  1.WHAT TIME DO YOU WAKE UP IN THE MORNING ON WEEKDAYS? 7 AM, I let myself sleep in. 2. IF YOU COULD EAT LUNCH WITH ONE FAMOUS PERSON, WHO WOULD IT BE? Bill Clinton 3. GOLD OR SILVER? Silver 4. WHAT WAS THE LAST MOVIE YOU SAW? Schindler's List-just this weekend. First holocaust movie I ever watched through. 5. FAVORITE TV SHOW? Right now it's West Wing 6. WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR BREAKFAST MOST OFTEN? Coffee or Tea 7. WHAT WOULD YOU HATE TO BE LEFT IN A ROOM WITH? A lit cigarette 8. CAN YOU TOUCH YOUR NOSE WITH YOUR TONGUE? No 9. WHAT INSPIRES YOU? Oneness of the universe 10. WHAT'S YOUR MIDDLE NAME? It's too identifying 11. BEACH, CITY OR COUNTRY? Beach 12. SUMMER OR WINTER? Summer 13. FAVORITE ICE CREAM? Chocolate, or Mint Chip. My life would be complete if the two just merged 14. BUTTERED, PLAIN, OR SALTED POPCORN? Buttered, with salt 15. FAVORITE COLOR? Green 16. YOUR FAVORITE CAR? Still the VW Karmann Ghia 17. FAVORITE SANDWICH FILLING? Peanut Butter 18. WHAT CHARACTERISTICS DO YOU DESPISE? Power Groping, cruelty, phoniness w/motive 19. FAVORITE FLOWER? Pink carnations 20. IF YOU HAD A BIG WIN IN THE LOTTERY, HOW LONG WOULD YOU WAIT TO TELEPHONE PEOPLE? At least a week, while I cleared out my classroom of any personal mementos I couldn't live without, and anything confidential and changed all my numbers 21. FIZZY OR STILL WATER AS A DRINK? Fizzy 22. WHAT COLOR IS YOUR BATHROOM? Which one? One is pink, the other is blue... 23. HOW MANY KEYS ON YOUR KEY RING? Two, one for my car, the other to the Public Defender's office 24. WHERE WOULD YOU GO TO IF YOU HAD TO GO ON VACATION? The Mediterranean 25. CAN YOU JUGGLE? IF YES HOW MANY? Yes, one 26. YOUR FAVORITE DAY OF THE WEEK? Shabbot 27. RED OR WHITE WINE? Red 28. FAVORITE BEER Stout 29. WHAT DID YOU DO FOR YOUR LAST BIRTHDAY? Ate Crab, Turkey with everything, chocolate cake, opened presents, enjoyed the company of a true and loyal friend 30. DO YOU CARRY A DONOR CARD? Yes, got my sticker even before I DAed Shoshana
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  apartment life

  by MrMoe in

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  the chick upstairs is loud.

  she came home and when she walked by my door she banged on it as loud as she could, waking up me and emma.. it is 1:15 in the morning.

  called the cops i am sick of her crap.

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  Be careful what you wish for. I cast a "little move out spell" on the family who lived in the condo next to mine. Theirs was a small two bedroom (under 700 square feet), but the number living there tended to hover around nine people (no joking). Well within two months they moved, but the woman who moved in with her teenaged son was a horrid, evil woman. She had the mouth of rap artist, and was emotionally and physically abusive of her son. Since her son attended the school where I taught (but was not one of my students), I was a "mandated reporter." Which meant I HAD to contact child protective services every time something happened, or risk heavy fines, losing my teaching license, and losing my job!!! I lived with this for about a year. It was what finally prompted me to arrange my finances so I could get into a single family structure. Love the privacy, hate the maintenance....Shoshana